FKK Club Oase

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FKK Club Oase
BurgholzhausenOber-Erlenbacher-Str. 109
61352 Obererlenbach
Tel 06007-7930551
(recording), 06007-930643
email address info@fkk-oase.de
Hours Daily 10-4
Entry 65€
Sessions 50€ 30 minutes
no alcohol
drinks are free
Pool, Turkish steam bath, 2 Extra Large Sauna’s (biggest of all FFK clubs) 2 jacuzzi’s
Thursday is Lingerie day
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HOURS
Daily 11am – 4am

HISTORIC REPORTS AND INFO
Interesting views and similar with what I’ve experienced. As far as the girls and them charging more I never had a problem with this BUT I’ve seen it happen to guys. What is strange is that myself and others who have been to the club before pay one price which included bbbj, french kissing etc. Yet another guy (only one from our group) was asked to pay extra for bbbj and french kissing. Knowing him we could assume only this was either from him
A. Being new (first time at a club) and acting as if he did not know what he was doing.
B. He had bad breath, unclean teeth, body oder thus the girl wanted more money for more intense services such as kissing and oral.

It could also be a combination of the two, the girls know that regular customers who know what is going on won’t stand for this extra charge stuff. From about 10 visits over 1 1/2 years this has only happened once or twice so it’s not common from my experience.

I suggest that if you get to the room and the girl starts this stuff you LEAVE the room the second she explains this, go straight to the bar and complain.

I might also add that if you sit with her prior on one of the sofas in the lounge you should expect to be kissed there as well as receive some bbbj. Thus you won’t have this problem in the room. Sure some girls won’t do couch action but they do perform well in the room. You could also watch the women with other customers prior to selecting them. You also have the final solution to this which is to just ask first.

It’s not just you who thinks the bar tenders or lady who issues the wrist bans is pissy. I notice this all the time but once they know you this changes. Who knows why as this really does nothing for the club. I actually find this to be the case at Atlantis even more, you get friendlier service at the bar from the working girls rather then the bar maids. Yet at places like Bernd’s, Parksauna etc. you have very friendly staff. Who knows?

I have also seen, and sometimes experienced, this push for money for “extras” like kissing and bbbj, even though I know the club well, and some of the girls, for a couple of years. It seems that some of them try to take advantage of “newbies”, which really is not to the long-term benfit of the girl or the club. For some reason this has only happened to me here. I admit I am much better known at Atlantis, but still, with the changeover there are always girls I have never seen before, and they have never seen me. Unless they all talk amoung themselves really fast. ;-}

Also, I find the barmaids here especially unfriendly. I have seen this to a lesser extent (not for me but for other guests) at Atlantis, but this club has always been this way. Don’t know why.

Some excellent points, “langsam” means “slow” and “schneller” means “faster”. Ja “yes” and nein “no”. There is a great deal of slang used so depending on the girl and where she learned German other phrases are used. Since some girls are NOT from Germany and may have just learned German it may be easier to attempt speaking english. My point is it’s diffcult to understand a person who barely speaks German by someone who barely understands German. Im sure you’ll be fine as body language will get you by. Just remember when your done, your expected to walk with the girl to your “money locker” upstairs and pay her. Know what to pay her, DON’T ask as you may well be asked to pay more. Remember the 30 minute rule too, check your watch.

Lying (smile) when you enter a club can be a crap shoot. Yes I understand why guys do it and I’ve done it myself. The problem is when you enter and say “yes I’ve been here before” or in the case of a non-German speaker you say “Ja” or node your head. (Kinda hard to pretend when you have a thick broken accent and they’ve never seen you before). Anyway once you pay, your suppose to know where the lockers are, where the towels are etc. You see guys doing this and they ask questions they should’nt really ask after they’ve said they’ve been here before.

Being new and acting new perhaps there is a better method. Know the system, know the prices and ACT like you know what your doing regardless if you have been before. If you know how much it costs you hand her the money, you lead the way to the lockers etc. You can lie but you might end up looking stupid in the process.

I think the key is making the girl you go to the room believe you know what’s going on. I think the bar maids care less. Al Bundy brought up a good point somewhere else on the board, offer to pay first. That way you won’t overpay. I prefer to try and kiss the girl in the lounge and get oral as then I know it’s included. Overall from many, many visits with over 75 friends in tow problems are still rare. Even speaking German as I do a girl can tell you one thing in the lounge and do something else in a private room.

I’ll be sure to ask when I make my next visit as to the so called, Turkish rule. I’ve heard what Al has said about the Turks several times before at a few other clubs. In fact this goes in line with other things Al has stated. For example the fine line of when a session actually starts.

The common things you hear about the Turks is that they try to bargain with the girls, take extra time, they’re loud, disrepectful and rude to the girls, rough and in their culture they’re known for thinking of women as less then men or (animals). This is not my own view but just what I hear from women and management. Unfortunately a few bad seeds can cause a whole group to be looked upon as unwelcome.

On one hand I can’t blame the girls or the clubs as they don’t want problems and after you have several bad experiences with people you attempt to stop the problem. Im sure their are Turks who don’t follow these footsteps but they non the less they get labeled.

I personally think when the girl starts oral on you the clock starts. You’re commited. I have seen on rare occurance a girl give a guy 5-10 minutes of head and then NOT go to the room. Remember there is a big difference between a girl who comes over and sits with you and you going over and sitting next to a girl. When she comes over to you (considering you don’t call or motion her over) she is trying to make a sale and you are not committed to accepting her offer. Until, she gets to a certain point which I feel is oral. I’ve also seen friends who have sat with a girl for 45 minutes (my friend went over and sat next to her) talked, did light touching, no kissing, no oral or anything sexual and then got up and left. He simply said he was not ready. Her response was to get up yell at him and start a fuss but in the end nothing happened. I don’t know about you but I don’t like to be in the lounge with all the women and have this happen.

I think this may be a good topic which should be called “the Selection process”. From personal experience I go by chemistry, my attraction to her, her responses, my views of her with others etc. One of these things or a combination of all of them determine if I select her. Once I do I take my time to move towards her to confirm things. For example if you sit next to her and she does not smile or your conversation does not go well it’s a sign. I then say thank you and move on. Kinda the same feeling you get from approaching any woman at a bar or public place. Good signs are they smile, they start good body language, light touching, eye contact, friendly conversation (even if they try to communicate is a good sign) as opposed to the girl who get’s angry or frustrated when you can’t speak her language. Move in a positive direct with her, if if does not stay positive retreat.

I’ve stated this before several times, sometimes if Im unsure I make a few attempts and see how she handles me tell her “thank you but maybe later” after which I leave. If she still continues to be nice seeing me later its a positive sign.

Yes it may help stating “I’ve been to other FKK clubs” when you arrive but when I’ve used that line it appears they treat you as new anyway. Remember each club has it’s own rules and system so what happens at another club may not apply. For example at Club Sylt in Nurenburg they charge extra for no condom oral, they try and push you over the 30 minute limit on purpose. These are all acceptable practices to get more money. Girls sometimes try to enforce their own rules, extra for condom, extra for kissing etc.

As strange as it sounds I’ve seen this happen over and over at different clubs to the same guy. I’ve even had the exact same women on the same day with different results. Language had noting to do with it as another friend who also spoke no German had good service while this one guy got charged for each extra service.

Best advice is “when it starts STOP”. If you don’t get couch action don’t go to the room, the second she starts with extra charges for kissing or oral, leave the room. ASAP. Remember if you only sat with her, then went to the room and no oral or kissing started yet she THEN tells you the rules, that is your OUT to leave.

Please note that this is NOT the norm for FKK clubs and even Oase, where 99% of my sessions are GFE and without problem. Again it comes down to the women and you can get a lame deal at ANY club anywhere.

SP adds a couple of points I assumed, but actually should have pointed out. Once the oral starts, you are committed. Doesn’t matter who approached who in this case. Also, if you approach her, it is not as easy as if she approaches you. I also like SP’a method of starting with some small talk (possible even if you don’t really speak the language – just do it as she passes by, like around the bar or something). What you are looking for is some other response besides an immediate “Zimmer? (room)”. Any smiles, playfulness, whatever, is a very good sign. I have been in clubs where the guys all wear towels almost all the time. (Obviously couch action is very light here…). But occasionally a girl (who is not wearing a towel) may try to get mine, or at least loosen it so it falls off for a second. This to me is a sign she is more interesting than the beauty standing by the bar just waiting for the guys who are climbing over each other to get to her.

As for the Turkish question, this has been an issue in all the clubs around Frankfurt for as long as I have been going. I have had more than 1 evening, and more than a few girls, in the good days at Paradies (Hausen), who would come sit by me and ask to just talk later at night when these guys showed up. They informed me they did not want to have them as guests, so while they were with me, they were “busy”. After they guy went with someone else, they went back to work. Pretty strange to take refuse in another foreigner, but who knows? In the meantime, lets see what the real facts turn out to be.

The basic charges at Oase, Atlantis, Paradies (last I knew), and many other clubs, is 50E for 30 minutes. This INCLUDES BBBJ, and if the girl tells you otherwise she is trying to take advantage of you. Period!

Extras include Franzosich Total (cum in mouth, usually without swallowing), sometimes cum on body (get this arranged beforehand), and certainly anal.
Any other confusions?

A few thoughts:

If you know the place and know who to avoid, then Oase can be a great place to have a good time.

If you need a break and want to avoid having to constantly say “nein, danke”, then hang around the bar, the pool, or (in good weather) outside. The more aggressive of the girls usually go fishing in the two main rooms and in the Kino. Sit in any of these areas and you will be approached. Also a polite “Ich war gerade auf Zimmer” will usually send the girl away without further discussion.

It seems that the non-German speakers are the most vulnerable targets for the “extra services” ploy. The best way to avoid a problem, is if in doubt, ask. Also, try not t ogo off with an unknown or untried girl without having watched her for awhile. You can usually get a good feeling for a girl this way.

By the way, there were several Turkish men there as well as a few men of color. The rumor about Oase being restricted is completely false.

Finally, wear a watch. When a “clock-watcher” sees that you have a watch, then they are more likely to remain honest and even, at times, generous. Also, if a problem or conflict occurs, then you hold better cards if you can point to your wrist and say “not by my watch!”

Reprinted from the Oase site guest book:

It appears this club may never open. It did in fact open on October 4th but was closed only an hour later. Basically the club was shut down due to it not having proper licenses and documents. What sometimes happens is a club will open (licensed or approved as a sauna club) but in reality it is operated as a brothel. It’s a bit more difficult to get approval of a brothel as you can imagine. Added to this 6000 people who live in the community got wind of what was opening and you can understand why it was closed. It will be interesting to see what happens. Someone is going to lose a huge investment as there were huge renovations to the property.

Hier noch ein Kommentar eines Original-Roetgeners: Auch ich verfolge mit Interesse und Humor die alltägliche Diskussion in der lokalen Tagespresse. Beide “Seiten” (Gemeinde und OASE) verhalten sich falsch! Mein Eindruck ist, dass der werte Bürgermeister auf Druck der sogennaten wichtigen Personen (d.h. Unternehmer, Politiker) die Schliessung durchsetzen will, ohne aber die Meinung der etwa 6000 anderen Einwohner nicht das geringste interessiert. Denn in der Tagespresse tauchen immer die selben Namen auf, die die OASE nicht wollen. Hier sei besonders ein armer, besorgter Thermen-Besitzer aus Roetgen zu nennen, der grundsätzlich überall seinen Senf abgeben muss. Andererseits verstehe ich euch nicht: Ihr wisst ja wohl noch aus den Erfahrungen Bau/Eröffnung Frankfurt, welche Auflagen und Gesetze zu beachten sind. Ohne Schankgenehmigung und in Kenntnis von der SPERRBEZIRKSVERORDNUNG für Roetgen, die am 08.10.02 eintritt, eine Eröffnung anzukündigen, ist wohl auch nicht die feine Englische Art. Das ist schon dreist. Passend, dass dann am Freitag das Gebäudeaufsichtsamt nach 1 Stunde die OASE wieder geschlossen hat. Bin mal gespannt auf den weiteren Verlauf. Nur Mut und lasst euch nicht von einer handvoll Gegnern unterkriegen. Ich fänds toll wenn es klappen würde

During my most recent visit I was with two other friends from the US who spoke no German at all. However one gentleman was experienced in the FKK scene while the other was not. All three of us did this attractive Turkish girl, I went second and was told that she was good although not the best I’ve had. During my session I was asked by her if I wanted to go longer or pay for a better session. I replied to her that I wanted the standards which I usually expected there. I got bbbj, french kissing and was only charged 100dm. It was OK but nothing great and I would not repeat but still worth the money. The last guy to do her was the new guy we brought along. We explained to him what we did and what it cost before his session. Once he got into the room she told him that bbbj and kissing were each 100dm extra. To our surprise he paid what she asked. He ended up getting the same service we got but paid her 300dm.

When he returned to the lounge and told me I escorted him to the bar and protested in German to the Madame. She told me that it’s 100dm to go to the room and what ever else you negotiate with the girl is between you and the girl. We were basically told that they would do nothing and we need to negotiate before hand with the girl. I suggest anyone who is told to pay more before the session starts even if you enter the room refuse the charges and leave. Oase is an exception to this as this is not the norm for the FKK scene from my experience.

Personally I haven’t had any bad experiences, with the exception of deep passionate kisses I always get bbbj and kissing. I suggest that if you go to this club and you have a communication problem you rely on what you see the girl do on the couches in the lobby with other customers. If this is not possible then you ask “do you kiss, suck without condom”. If you keep it basic many of the women will understand if they don’t speak English. What they do with you on the couch in the lobby is a BIG clue to what you get in the room

The FKK scene is actually fairly old but new to many Americans. With all the exposure business has gotten good and some clubs like “Oase” no longer care about keeping customers. We actually don’t know this for sure as it’s difficult to talk to the owner of Oase. I suggest that if you don’t like the service at a club you write about it on the internet, make it known to the staff at the club and don’t return. You’ll note that when you leave most clubs ASK “did you have a good time?” Tell them the truth.

German guys seem to love screwing in the summer in the outdoors. Thus you might notice the huge gardens outside at Oase. Summer months tend to be slower, fewer women available and less customer traffic. The winter months or non-tourist season is a better time to visit but it’s too cold to go outside. If you plan on doing it outdoors make sure it’s the warmer season.

I think most problems that we encounter at the clubs are communications oriented. Too many guys expect no taboo “everything included” service from all the girls. With the expansion of all the clubs and many new girls always coming and going your going to run into women that don’t do everything. You’ll also run into the hardcore pro who is not a good example of a typical FKK experience. Remember there are hundreds of clubs with many different owners thus you can expect a different grade of business. It’s also not as big of a deal to Americans to lose $30-$75 for a bad session in German as opposed to say $200-400 escorts in the US.

Bernd’s is high on my list for just this reason. They set standards for the women and the customers expect more. Everyone appears to get bbbj on the couch and french kissing. Things only get better and more passionate in the room if you get there.

It’s also true that you won’t get any less service if you’re fat, ugly, brown, green or bald. I am asked this question mainly by Latino and Asian men. The truth is YES even Asian and Latino men get good treatment and service. Just be clean, nice and try to smell good. Some of these girls might seem to have an attitude at first but when you break the ice and actually talk or touch one things can change. This has happened to me on numerous occasions. I felt a girl was stuck up only to find I was wrong when she smiled and warmed up to me. Even some of us look unapproachable when sitting alone.

I think Oase has many other reasons for having problems. Huge turnover among the women, it’s close to Frankfurt well known. They do a volume business instead of lots of repeats. It’s also partly the fault of the owners or club management to take interest in the service rendered to the customers.

Things can change, they always do. First Herne was on top with some of the best service, then Babylon and now Bernd’s. Bernd’s would be a better standard as it’s suppose to be the original first FKK club. It’s been around.

Just remember the basics, try and ask FIRST before going to the room. Kissing? BBBJ? see what the girl does with other customers outside the room. If she doesn’t kiss or bbbj you outside the room the chances you’ll get that in the room are much less.

The only article I could find was this one:
FOREIGN DESK | October 20, 2002, Sunday
In Europe, Sex Slavery Is Thriving Despite Raids

By DAVID BINDER (NYT) 728 words
Late Edition – Final, Section 1, Page 8, Column 1
LEAD PARAGRAPH – An intensive European operation conducted with American assistance to crack down on the trafficking of women for the sex trade has had mixed success, American officials say.

Preliminary data show that in 20,558 raids conducted from Sept. 7 to Sept. 16 across Central and Eastern Europe, 237 victims of trafficking were identified and 293 traffickers were arrested and charged as criminals.

However there was nothing that specifically had any reference to FKK clubs in Germany as you stated.

It’s obvious that there may be sex slaves in Europe, but where does it state FKK clubs? Since we don’t know who your “reliable (and quite prominent) friend” is that does us no good either.

Mafia problems are worldwide not a “Germany” issue as your post may lead others to believe.

In the future it would help if we could post the actual article for everyone to read.

Your statement “Recent expose by New York Times – Sunday supplement refers. Some of the girls at some FKK clubs could well be such victims. I believe that this is the reason behind the raids and involves Interpol and other civil liberties organizations.” Would lead someone to think that you have proof that this is a problem at some FKK clubs.

At best it appears we are guessing and assuming things. All the women at the clubs are doing this for money, whether it be to support a boyfriend, mother, family, car payment, drug habit, sports car etc. This is not a problem specific to FKK clubs. In fact there are many jobs that illegal and legal workers have which pay such debts.

Some brothels (worldwide) force the women to stay till they make a certain sum of money. At the FKK clubs they women are not forced to STAY and WORK. If you’ve been to Atlantis or Oase you’ll note the women arriving to work each day and departing. Does not look like anyone is holding them hostage as slaves.

What does this mean? “My gut feel is that she unknowingly perhaps at present, fits above definition.” Does it mean your guessing? How does helping a boyfriend convert to “The main issue is a sex worker, who is NOT free to quit at her will, without threats or other strings, or pimps”.

I suggest we get back to the topic, “There was a raid at Oase and some women were arrested”. Although I can understand what your saying there is nothing that proves that this same raid had anything to do with “Sex Slavery”.

Oase has experienced a rash of women departing from The Palace which has had a bad rap for several years now that range from 50 Euros extra for kissing to other minor problems. There are now over 10 women who once worked at The Palace and who now work at Oase. A year ago just a few women jumped ship but now it seems many are making the move.

From what I’ve found the customer base has dropped, the women don’t really care for the new “tourist types”. This is something I’ve experienced myself over the years, what used to be mainly German locals has now become mainly tourists, non-Germans and convention visitors. Also the fear of foreign illness and disease has caused the women to step back. The internet has brought just about every kind of “Weirdo” from all over the globe to Germany. Even the women have seen the drop in customer levels and quality. “We get all the losers from the USA and England” several girls explained.

What tourists need to understand is they need to blend in or “Do as the Romans when in Rome”.

Many of the more desperate working gals from the eastern block countries are moving in as well. Countries such as Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia etc have take over. Tourists have no idea what the standards of service once were thus they don’t have the ability to judge good service from bad. You would need to have been partaking in the German FKK scene over 10 years ago to understand what has changed. Newer visitors have no idea what it used to be like. While even at the lower level of standards today its not what it used to be.

The Palace with all their good ideas such as smoking area (glass encased rooms), resting and reading areas. Plus with the addition of food has come a long way since the days of “Paradise” when it was just a small club located to the rear of what exists today. The problem is keeping a good staff of working women that provide good service. The Palace is now better known for “Rip off” rather then good service. Now with the most expensive entry among FKK clubs in Frankfurt at 75 Euros the Palace is now feeling the effects of bad business practices and mainly eastern block workers.

Customers as well as working women are now leaving for greener pastures.

Oase has undertaken some cosmetic changes over the past few months. Changes to the club have been going on for years since the removal of the red wall coverings and bamboo that once covered the main lounge before the addition of the dance pole area and Kino ever existed. The bar area was also upgraded with the Roman look complete with cloud like ceiling paint. This is all due to the owners love of Cesar’s Palace in Las Vegas Nevada. If you’ve ever been in Las Vegas and seen the interior of Cesar’s you’ll quickly see the similarities. Those with an eye for detail might notice the gradual changes in the cloud ceiling paint from the bar area to other areas where the artist obviously first used the concept. The cloud painting starts as almost cartoonish and slowly graduates to a more realistic look. Over the years many custom Roman statues, busts and wall murals were added. Perhaps someone remembers the murals in the rear dining area that had reversed toes.

Probably the biggest changes to the club were the addition of the extra rooms behind the upstairs showers. More private rooms has long been the issue at Oase. The expansion of the main lounge, knocking out the opening which now is the strip pole dance area helped greatly as well as the large screen Kino. Those of you who have been visiting this club long enough will remember the days when there was no Kino or Dance area.

With all the major physical changes and the closing of Atlantis in Altenstadt Oase quickly took over the position of being the BIGGEST club. It can be argued that World in Polheim is physically larger however it never had the largest numbers of women.

Lets not forget the addition of expanding the parking lot area and tiling the dirt surface. Adding a security guard as well as additional lighting and closed circuit cameras at one time cost the customer an extra 1 Euro. When this all started entry to the club was only 50 Euros. Then Atlantis owners upped the entry to 65 to cover heating and other additional costs so Oase followed suit dropping the extra parking fee in favor of raising the entry from 50 to 65 Euros. Hopefully the recent entry increase from 65 to 75 Euro at the Palace in Frankfurt won’t entice Oase to also raise the entry. Another reason for German’s and locals to dislike foreign non-local visitors who seem glad to fork out more money in their desperation to get laid.

In all fairness Oase has given something back for the increase from 50 to 65 Euros. Hot buffet style food is served on a regular basis, the parking lot is more secure and manned 24 hours a day, a huge HEATED pool and whirlpool was recently install in the outdoor garden area. Not one but two hot steam saunas to choose from. The last addition was the completion of the large circular indoor whirlpool that resembles the larger fountains found again at Cesar’s Palace in Las Vegas.

The old non-heated indoor pool was rarely used and only by people who jumped in after heating up in one of the saunas. Those make shift partition rooms that were next to the indoor pool have been replaced by all new solid walled rooms with doors.
Also the massage area which used to be left in the cubby hole as you went up the stairs from the bar now has it’s own room. The massage room has glass windows for the visual and a door for some privacy. It’s located where the cigarette machines and buffet food was served indoors before. Now if food is served indoors it’s located behind the main indoor bar by the entry. Not really ideal since this causes a major traffic jam if a line forms for food.

Not sure if anyone remembers when they tried to install clear plastic toilet seats downstairs in the bathroom stalls. They had barbed wire and rustic things within the plastic. That concept quickly died when the seats were found to break without much effort. Back to the standard basic white toilet seats. The fully electric toilet system never seemed to catch on at Oase as it did at Atlantis. Now the only one I know of is at Samya near Koln, they have them in both the upper and lower restrooms.

The other latest final touches are the Arabic desert style tents in Royal blue outside up the walk to the left. Great for extra room space in the summer but useless in the winter months.

Due to the recent EU changes Romanian and Bulgarian women are quickly becoming a common site. Boob jobs and fake bleached blonds are also more common then in previous years. While a bigger selection of women is always welcome the negative factor is how aggressive the women have become. Years back none of the women would approach you and today it’s common to have a dozen approach you . Take a seat in the Kino and you’re open season for any and all the gals who walk the club from end to end like a caged lion in a zoo. I don’t have a problem with a gal asking if you want company but it’s these women who don’t take no for an answer. WHY? Waaaarrrrummm? Do we need a reason to say NO?

Oase is also one of the few places that changes dollars for Euros if needed and turns your credit cards into cash. An ATM would be a nice addition, World has had one for a while. The closest one is back in town down the the road to the right at the first bank going towards the A5.

I understand that Oase now gives the taxi drivers a bigger cut to bring guests. This was the way the Palace tried to increase traffic, perhaps also the reason they raised the entry to cover the taxi driver cut. Not that it costs you more but in the end this cost us all more at the Palace. Thank god the women did not get their way at the Palce to raise the program fees from 50 Euros for 30 minutes to 50 Euros for 15 minutes. You heard me right, image that, doubling the cost of the women.
Those of you who still go to the Palace don’t realize how much damage you do, sure it’s only 10 more Euro entry but you send the wrong message.

You can still find some of the popular women from Atlantis at Oase, Hanna CZ Blond Pornstar can usually be found. Renate Ukraine is a long time Oase gal known for her wicked oral skills and swallowing. You might even recall one of the door staff who used to work at Atlantis.

For now the construction is complete, new large outdoor HEATED pool, outdoor whirlpool, enhanced sauna, extra indoor rooms, super large circular indoor whirlpool, enclosed massage area, more parking area. At least we got something for that extra 15 Euros.

2010
You heard it here first, Oase is yet again expanding to meet the demand. While not all the news is positive the owner has plans to expand the area where the indoor whirlpool now exists. The area between the stairs and the massage room will be opened and extended. A new “Ala-carte Restaurant” complete with full time cook and menu are in the works. This will most likely mimic the restaurant similar to Parksauna Residence in Lohmar. One can order from a menu and also order items not on the menu. This would be included (at no extra charge to the entry fee). The restaurant would solve the problem of food lines and service from behind the bar. Tables and chairs would be added to the restaurant to make more room for other things inside the club.

The other addition which would extend beyond the restaurant area are (4) VIP rooms which can be rented for a 24 hour period. These are not to be confused with adding more public rooms which are already spread throughout the club. These rooms would be plush and private. They would include limousine service to and from the airport or downtown area. Customers would be issued credit card like door keys to access their VIP room. Naturally you would be able to spend the night at the club, food would be included from the next door restaurant. You’d be able to invite your friends and favorite girls as well. The catch is prices are said to be upwards in the 1000 Euros per night range.

The 4 rooms are going to be suites, each with 4 areas, whirlpool room, bedroom with large bed and mirrors, office with internet, TV etc. The rooms are said to be 5 star hotel quality level with all the amenities a hotel would include. This is obviously meant for the high roller or upper end customers at Oase.

Look for building to start March 2011 and be completed towards the end of 2011. While the restaurant is a welcome addition and may free up bar staff and areas now used for dinning, the VIP rooms are another story. These exclusive rooms will have an exclusive price, not including entry fee either. Would you be willing to pay lets say 500 Euros a night to stay at Oase?

Oase has been in the process of upgrading and enlarging its facility over the past year. The new renovations include multi story VIP suites (4) to be exact. Initial pricing was said to be approximately 1000 Euros per night not including entry fees or entertainment with the women. Each suite will have its own four separate rooms to include a whirlpool, bedroom, office and living room. A full sized restaurant is also in the works which offers seating and buffet as well as custom cooked dishes. The outdoor has been enlarged and was the first step of the enlargement process. Soccer area, large lawn and play area. The previous outdoor area has been enlarged over 200% adding to the already improved stainless steel pool. Years back the indoor pool which was rarely used was removed and replaced by a larger whirlpool, one of the biggest in Germany. Those who have been keeping up with the FKK Scene over the decades remember the days when the Kino, stripe pole room and upstairs showers did not exist.

As far as posting names goes in reference to your experience I think you need to rethink this approach. It’s very common on the German boards for men to post names and details as without a name your really offering little help to others. After all your not using your own real name so no one will know who you are. I’ve seen women at the clubs read reports given to them by guys who got them off the internet. They usually take great interest in seeing what men REALLY think. After all even I have not told a girl to her face that a session sucked. I do post my true feelings on the web. Not too many guys will come out and tell the girl her performance was poor in person. The whole point of these boards is to discuss openly what goes on without giving away who you are. It’s obvious that we all have sex with these women. I can see not wanting to share kinky details that may embarrass you like, you having her beat you up or you wearing women’s clothing but comments about the usual sex practices is obvious and normal.

Lets look at this a little closer and see how honesty can effect things. Should you post the “TRUTH” about a session and a girl finds out it should at anything tell the girl she needs to change the way she does business. Should you report positive info of a great party then it helps the girl by directing others to her. Posting negative helps everyone, it helps guys avoid a bad party and points out to the women what no one is brave enough to do in person.

I don’t see how avoiding the truth helps the girl?
If she has no way of finding out that she needs improvement then how do we expect change to take place?

I think this is why Germany has a better sex situation as opposed to the US. We are pussies here in the US while in Germany the men are men and most often they will complain to the management about poor service. I’ve heard this from the management of SA and Oase many times. Customers do in fact talk to management and point out poor service.

Let’s take a former worker at Oase, she knows about the internet and has read some reports. I asked her about a negative one written on another site. She recalled who the guy was and she actually wants to change things. She confirms my feelings that she has no way of changing or resolving things if she is not informed.

As far as “I feel if I give names away, it is breaching trust and confidentiality. goes I don’t see where trust and confidentiality comes in? If you feel this way then STOP reading anything on the internet as YOU got names and info here and now you take the approach that it’s wrong for you to do the same. These women are prostitutes (this is not a dirty word) and it’s obvious what goes on in the room. Sex in Germany is a normal body function not something special, this is NOT “LOVE” of “ROMANCE” but a service. When you start treating it like it is different then the situation becomes the way it is in the US. SEX is terrible, evil, sick and bad which we its not but in the US it’s not looked upon as nice.

Please think about this and post detailed info that helps others like it helps you AND THE WOMEN. Posting “I had a good time at this club” is worthless and wastes space on the web. Why you had a good time, with whom you had a good time and what you did are what count to prove your statements. The club owners by the way also want to know who is good and bad.

I’m in no way trying to attack anyone with this post but I prefer to makes some points that might get you to change your mind about posting names and details.

It does NOT hurt anyone if it is true If anything it helps things.

Oase has been in the process of upgrading and enlarging its facility over the past year. The new renovations include multi story VIP suites (4) to be exact. Initial pricing was said to be approximately 1000 Euros per night not including entry fees or entertainment with the women. Each suite will have its own four separate rooms to include a whirlpool, bedroom, office and living room. A full sized restaurant is also in the works which offers seating and buffet as well as custom cooked dishes.

The outdoor has been enlarged and was the first step of the enlargement process. Soccer area, large lawn and play area. The previous outdoor area has been enlarged over 200% adding to the already improved stainless steel pool. Years back the indoor pool which was rarely used was removed and replaced by a larger whirlpool, one of the biggest in Germany.

Those who have been keeping up with the FKK Scene over the decades remember the days when the Kino, stripe pole room and upstairs showers did not exist.

Interesting views and similar with what I’ve experienced. As far as the girls and them charging more I never had a problem with this BUT I’ve seen it happen to guys. What is strange is that myself and others who have been to the club before pay one price which included bbbj, french kissing etc. Yet another guy (only one from our group) was asked to pay extra for bbbj and french kissing. Knowing him we could assume only this was either from him
A. Being new (first time at a club) and acting as if he did not know what he was doing.
B. He had bad breath, unclean teeth, body oder thus the girl wanted more money for more intense services such as kissing and oral.

It could also be a combination of the two, the girls know that regular customers who know what is going on won’t stand for this extra charge stuff. From about 10 visits over 1 1/2 years this has only happened once or twice so it’s not common from my experience.

I suggest that if you get to the room and the girl starts this stuff you LEAVE the room the second she explains this, go straight to the bar and complain.

I might also add that if you sit with her prior on one of the sofas in the lounge you should expect to be kissed there as well as receive some bbbj. Thus you won’t have this problem in the room. Sure some girls won’t do couch action but they do perform well in the room. You could also watch the women with other customers prior to selecting them. You also have the final solution to this which is to just ask first.

It’s not just you who thinks the bar tenders or lady who issues the wrist bans is pissy. I notice this all the time but once they know you this changes. Who knows why as this really does nothing for the club. I actually find this to be the case at Atlantis even more, you get friendlier service at the bar from the working girls rather then the bar maids. Yet at places like Bernd’s, Parksauna etc. you have very friendly staff. Who knows?

I have also seen, and sometimes experienced, this push for money for “extras” like kissing and bbbj, even though I know the club well, and some of the girls, for a couple of years. It seems that some of them try to take advantage of “newbies”, which really is not to the long-term benfit of the girl or the club. For some reason this has only happened to me here. I admit I am much better known at Atlantis, but still, with the changeover there are always girls I have never seen before, and they have never seen me. Unless they all talk among themselves really fast. ;-}

Also, I find the barmaids here especially unfriendly. I have seen this to a lesser extent (not for me but for other guests) at Atlantis, but this club has always been this way. Don’t know why.

Some excellent points, “langsam” means “slow” and “schneller” means “faster”. Ja “yes” and nein “no”. There is a great deal of slang used so depending on the girl and where she learned German other phrases are used. Since some girls are NOT from Germany and may have just learned German it may be easier to attempt speaking english. My point is it’s diffcult to understand a person who barely speaks German by someone who barely understands German. Im sure you’ll be fine as body language will get you by. Just remember when your done, your expected to walk with the girl to your “money locker” upstairs and pay her. Know what to pay her, DON’T ask as you may well be asked to pay more. Remember the 30 minute rule too, check your watch.

Lying (smile) when you enter a club can be a crap shoot. Yes I understand why guys do it and I’ve done it myself. The problem is when you enter and say “yes I’ve been here before” or in the case of a non-German speaker you say “Ja” or node your head. (Kinda hard to pretend when you have a thick broken accent and they’ve never seen you before). Anyway once you pay, your suppose to know where the lockers are, where the towels are etc. You see guys doing this and they ask questions they should’nt really ask after they’ve said they’ve been here before.

Being new and acting new perhaps there is a better method. Know the system, know the prices and ACT like you know what your doing regardless if you have been before. If you know how much it costs you hand her the money, you lead the way to the lockers etc. You can lie but you might end up looking stupid in the process.

I think the key is making the girl you go to the room believe you know what’s going on. I think the bar maids care less. Al Bundy brought up a good point somewhere else on the board, offer to pay first. That way you won’t overpay. I prefer to try and kiss the girl in the lounge and get oral as then I know it’s included. Overall from many, many visits with over 75 friends in tow problems are still rare. Even speaking German as I do a girl can tell you one thing in the lounge and do something else in a private room.

I’ll be sure to ask when I make my next visit as to the so called, Turkish rule. I’ve heard what Al has said about the Turks several times before at a few other clubs. In fact this goes in line with other things Al has stated. For example the fine line of when a session actually starts.

The common things you hear about the Turks is that they try to bargain with the girls, take extra time, they’re loud, disrepectful and rude to the girls, rough and in their culture they’re known for thinking of women as less then men or (animals). This is not my own view but just what I hear from women and management. Unfortunately a few bad seeds can cause a whole group to be looked upon as unwelcome.

On one hand I can’t blame the girls or the clubs as they don’t want problems and after you have several bad experiences with people you attempt to stop the problem. Im sure their are Turks who don’t follow these footsteps but they non the less they get labeled.

I personally think when the girl starts oral on you the clock starts. You’re commited. I have seen on rare occurance a girl give a guy 5-10 minutes of head and then NOT go to the room. Remember there is a big difference between a girl who comes over and sits with you and you going over and sitting next to a girl. When she comes over to you (considering you don’t call or motion her over) she is trying to make a sale and you are not committed to accepting her offer. Until, she gets to a certain point which I feel is oral. I’ve also seen friends who have sat with a girl for 45 minutes (my friend went over and sat next to her) talked, did light touching, no kissing, no oral or anything sexual and then got up and left. He simply said he was not ready. Her response was to get up yell at him and start a fuss but in the end nothing happened. I don’t know about you but I don’t like to be in the lounge with all the women and have this happen.

I think this may be a good topic which should be called “the Selection process”. From personal experience I go by chemistry, my attraction to her, her responses, my views of her with others etc. One of these things or a combination of all of them determine if I select her. Once I do I take my time to move towards her to confirm things. For example if you sit next to her and she does not smile or your conversation does not go well it’s a sign. I then say thank you and move on. Kinda the same feeling you get from approaching any woman at a bar or public place. Good signs are they smile, they start good body language, light touching, eye contact, friendly conversation (even if they try to communicate is a good sign) as opposed to the girl who get’s angry or frustrated when you can’t speak her language. Move in a positive direct with her, if if does not stay positive retreat.

I’ve stated this before several times, sometimes if Im unsure I make a few attempts and see how she handles me tell her “thank you but maybe later” after which I leave. If she still continues to be nice seeing me later its a positive sign.

Yes it may help stating “I’ve been to other FKK clubs” when you arrive but when I’ve used that line it appears they treat you as new anyway. Remember each club has it’s own rules and system so what happens at another club may not apply. For example at Club Sylt in Nurenburg they charge extra for no condom oral, they try and push you over the 30 minute limit on purpose. These are all acceptable practices to get more money. Girls sometimes try to enforce their own rules, extra for condom, extra for kissing etc.

As strange as it sounds I’ve seen this happen over and over at different clubs to the same guy. I’ve even had the exact same women on the same day with different results. Language had noting to do with it as another friend who also spoke no German had good service while this one guy got charged for each extra service.

Best advice is “when it starts STOP”. If you don’t get couch action don’t go to the room, the second she starts with extra charges for kissing or oral, leave the room. ASAP. Remember if you only sat with her, then went to the room and no oral or kissing started yet she THEN tells you the rules, that is your OUT to leave.

Please note that this is NOT the norm for FKK clubs and even Oase, where 99% of my sessions are GFE and without problem. Again it comes down to the women and you can get a lame deal at ANY club anywhere.

SP adds a couple of points I assumed, but actually should have pointed out. Once the oral starts, you are committed. Doesn’t matter who approached who in this case. Also, if you approach her, it is not as easy as if she approaches you. I also like SP’a method of starting with some small talk (possible even if you don’t really speak the language – just do it as she passes by, like around the bar or something). What you are looking for is some other response besides an immediate “Zimmer? (room)”. Any smiles, playfulness, whatever, is a very good sign. I have been in clubs where the guys all wear towels almost all the time. (Obviously couch action is very light here…). But occasionally a girl (who is not wearing a towel) may try to get mine, or at least loosen it so it falls off for a second. This to me is a sign she is more interesting than the beauty standing by the bar just waiting for the guys who are climbing over each other to get to her.

As for the Turkish question, this has been an issue in all the clubs around Frankfurt for as long as I have been going. I have had more than 1 evening, and more than a few girls, in the good days at Paradies (Hausen), who would come sit by me and ask to just talk later at night when these guys showed up. They informed me they did not want to have them as guests, so while they were with me, they were “busy”. After they guy went with someone else, they went back to work. Pretty strange to take refuse in another foreigner, but who knows? In the meantime, lets see what the real facts turn out to be.

The basic charges at Oase, Atlantis, Paradies (last I knew), and many other clubs, is 50E for 30 minutes. This INCLUDES BBBJ, and if the girl tells you otherwise she is trying to take advantage of you. Period! Extras include Franzosich Total (cum in mouth, usually without swallowing), sometimes cum on body (get this arranged beforehand), and certainly anal.
Any other confusions?

Reprinted from the Oase site guest book:
It appears this club may never open. It did in fact open on October 4th but was closed only an hour later. Basically the club was shut down due to it not having proper licenses and documents. What sometimes happens is a club will open (licensed or approved as a sauna club) but in reality it is operated as a brothel. It’s a bit more difficult to get approval of a brothel as you can imagine. Added to this 6000 people who live in the community got wind of what was opening and you can understand why it was closed. It will be interesting to see what happens. Someone is going to lose a huge investment as there were huge renovations to the property.

Hier noch ein Kommentar eines Original-Roetgeners: Auch ich verfolge mit Interesse und Humor die alltägliche Diskussion in der lokalen Tagespresse. Beide “Seiten” (Gemeinde und OASE) verhalten sich falsch! Mein Eindruck ist, dass der werte Bürgermeister auf Druck der sogennaten wichtigen Personen (d.h. Unternehmer, Politiker) die Schliessung durchsetzen will, ohne aber die Meinung der etwa 6000 anderen Einwohner nicht das geringste interessiert. Denn in der Tagespresse tauchen immer die selben Namen auf, die die OASE nicht wollen. Hier sei besonders ein armer, besorgter Thermen-Besitzer aus Roetgen zu nennen, der grundsätzlich überall seinen Senf abgeben muss. Andererseits verstehe ich euch nicht: Ihr wisst ja wohl noch aus den Erfahrungen Bau/Eröffnung Frankfurt, welche Auflagen und Gesetze zu beachten sind. Ohne Schankgenehmigung und in Kenntnis von der SPERRBEZIRKSVERORDNUNG für Roetgen, die am 08.10.02 eintritt, eine Eröffnung anzukündigen, ist wohl auch nicht die feine Englische Art. Das ist schon dreist. Passend, dass dann am Freitag das Gebäudeaufsichtsamt nach 1 Stunde die OASE wieder geschlossen hat. Bin mal gespannt auf den weiteren Verlauf. Nur Mut und lasst euch nicht von einer handvoll Gegnern unterkriegen. Ich fänds toll wenn es klappen würde

Interesting, I was in Germany and very near Oase 2 when they closed it. This was the start of all this extra heat on Oase. I spoke with several girls who either were working at Oase or had worked there. Interesting enough they really like the owner and respect him. Many girls from all the clubs were asked to work at Oase 2 when it opened. There was also talk about how the closing of Oase 2 would bring attention to Oase I. This was well over a month ago and here I read it actually happening. Atlantis is not in the clear either as I feel this will bring attention to all the clubs. This may be the beginning of a new era too with more restrictions for all of us. All it takes is an election and a few people looking for votes to start a witch hunt or something like this. So I don’t think this is odd especially after the same owner had problems not too long ago up north near Aachen. If you were around when the Oase 2 thing happened you may have heard it on TV or the local radio stations. It was widely talked about in the news media.

The good news is that they did not shut down BHH and it appeared to only affect a few of the women. Hey do you recall when Babylon was closed? It’s possible Atlantis is next as they have such a huge talent pool Im sure some of those girls may be suspect.


I have seen or heard of these kind of “raids” before. As the German economy gets worse, and jobs get scarce, they tend to clamp down on all the illegal foreign nationals trying to work in the country. Unfortuntely this often includes some of our service providers. A similar event has happend in the past at Paradise and Atlantis, and others probably as well. Unless there is a specific problem with an owner, or the clubs very existence, it blows over quickly, after they remove the gilrs without the correct papers. Atlantis had this happen about 1 year ago, with girls being lead away, etc., and it seemed to have little effect on the club as a whole.

Oase has experienced a rash of women departing from The Palace which has had a bad rap for several years now that range from 50 Euros extra for kissing to other minor problems. There are now over 10 women who once worked at The Palace and who now work at Oase. A year ago just a few women jumped ship but now it seems many are making the move.

From what I’ve found the customer base has dropped, the women don’t really care for the new “tourist types”. This is something I’ve experienced myself over the years, what used to be mainly German locals has now become mainly tourists, non-Germans and convention visitors. Also the fear of foreign illness and disease has caused the women to step back. The internet has brought just about every kind of “Weirdo” from all over the globe to Germany. Even the women have seen the drop in customer levels and quality. “We get all the losers from the USA and England” several girls explained.

What tourists need to understand is they need to blend in or “Do as the Romans when in Rome”.

Many of the more desperate working gals from the eastern block countries are moving in as well. Countries such as Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia etc have take over. Tourists have no idea what the standards of service once were thus they don’t have the ability to judge good service from bad. You would need to have been partaking in the German FKK scene over 10 years ago to understand what has changed. Newer visitors have no idea what it used to be like. While even at the lower level of standards today its not what it used to be.

The Palace with all their good ideas such as smoking area (glass encased rooms), resting and reading areas. Plus with the addition of food has come a long way since the days of “Paradise” when it was just a small club located to the rear of what exists today. The problem is keeping a good staff of working women that provide good service. The Palace is now better known for “Rip off” rather then good service. Now with the most expensive entry among FKK clubs in Frankfurt at 75 Euros the Palace is now feeling the effects of bad business practices and mainly eastern block workers.

Customers as well as working women are now leaving for greener pastures.

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